Monday 2 July 2007

Why Islamic Terrorists are above criticism


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Posted by: Raja Petra
> By the Anti Jihadist

News about Islamic terrorism is impossible to avoid these days, even in the sanitised Malaysian media. Unfortunately, it's highly unusual for Muslims in Malaysia to ever criticise their co-religionists, no matter how outrageous their actions are. Muslim terrorists regularly murder women, children, civilians, and non-combatants alike. They execute captured prisoners after the most vicious torture. Terrorists acting in the name of Islam also blow up mosques, murder imams, and even violate oaths taken on the Quran, such as when the Taliban captured the Afghan village of Qala Mussa earlier this year, after having sworn on the Quran to engage in negotiations with the local elders. And yet, there is rarely a hint of outrage in the Muslim world. Malaysia is no exception to this pattern.

For a Malaysian example of this bizarre behaviour, let’s review the Malaysian reactions to the recent (2005) passing of Dr. Azahari Husin, the notorious Malaysian terrorist, committed jihadist, and chief bombmaker for terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah. Dr. Azahari, as you may recall, was directly implicated in the Bali bombings (both 2002 and 2005), the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta, and the JW Mariott hotel bombing also in Jakarta. Azahari was in fact an unrepentant mass murderer, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. But, as his family and the Malaysian media would have it, he was also supposedly a ‘genuinely warm and caring kind of guy’.

Here is the kind of spin his family put on their ‘fondly remembered’ Doctor Azahari, as was published verbatim in a Malaysian newspaper at the time:
…in his family, he was a respected big brother whose skills in Maths and zest for sports were a source of inspiration to his nine siblings. Azahari Husin’s sister, Suraya, 45, recalled that her brother loved cowboy movies and thought girls were "soppy".

He loved the outdoors and once hitchhiked on a lorry from the premier Malay College (in) Kuala Kangsar, where he studied, to his home in Jasin as a teenager. When he studied in Australia, he took motorcycle excursions across the desert. He loved orchids and sports cars.


The remainder of this media puff piece continues on in the same insufferable vein. And while the family finds plenty of wonderful memories to share with the all-too-willing Malaysian media, there is nary a trace of condemnation of the late doctor's multi-year murder spree.

Azahari's family eventually had this to say about the terrorist Dr. Azahari:
“… our family and friends never interfered with what my brother did. That’s the integrity of our family,” said (a younger sister of Dr Azahari Husin.)

“People can say what they want, but I know my brother,” she said when pressed for comments by newsmen at her house in Jalan Chin Chin here yesterday.

The woman, who lives a few kilometres from her parent’s house, said her father Husin Yaakob, 78, had left home for the time being, to live with one of her siblings, in anticipation of media interest in Dr Azahari’s family.


Azahari also received a hero’s send-off at his funeral in his hometown of Jasin in Malacca state. The ceremony attracted some 600 well wishers, who repeatedly screamed ‘Allahu akbar’ as his coffin was lowered into the ground. Many present at the funeral also voiced scepticism of Azahari’s role as a top terrorist. “Azahari will always have friends here. We shouldn't be asked to believe what is written about him in the newspapers,” said one man who identified himself to reporters only as Yusri.

These are very curious reactions all around, at the very least. Given the multiple opportunities to condemn terrorism, and to pronounce how un-Islamic all this terrorism supposedly is, Azahari’s family, friends and neighbours all refused to so state. Rather the opposite, actually—in particular, Azahari’s sister said for the record that family and friends “…never interfered with what my brother did”. This is a disturbingly noncommittal thing to say about a man intimately involved in carrying out mass murder, and for conspiring to commit even more mass murder. Indeed, it could even be construed as approval.

Compare the (at best) tepid response of the Azahari family to the response of another family that had one of its own become a mass murderer—the family of Cho Seung Hui. Cho, as many no doubt remember, was a Korean American who murdered 32 people just a few months ago at a university in Virginia before taking his own life. In the aftermath of this devastating tragedy, the family issued a powerful and eloquent statement to the world and to the relatives of the victims. This statement reads, in part:
On behalf of our family, we are so deeply sorry for the devastation my brother has caused. No words can express our sadness that 32 innocent people lost their lives this week in such a terrible, senseless tragedy. We are heartbroken.



We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced.


Despite their shock, grief and unimaginable horror, the Cho family managed to compose and release this brief, but articulate public statement. In no uncertain terms, it makes it clear how the Cho family felt about the actions of their loved one, a loved one who, like Azahari Husin, mercilessly slaughtered so many. And still, this one simple statement is light years ahead of anything ever spoken by any of the family or friends of Dr. Azahari.

Why, indeed, did the Azahari family choose to not say anything even remotely similar to this? And for another example, why didn’t any of the families of the 9-11 hijackers issue statements like the Cho family? Why do all of these Muslim families to this day steadfastly refuse to denounce the unspeakable crimes of their loved ones?

It’s not hard to understand why. While a lot of Muslims may talk of peaceful co-existence, they tacitly approve of Islamic terrorists killing non-Muslims. More often than Muslims like to admit, these terrorists, either living or dead, are lionized as heroes in the Islamic world.

Many Muslims know that these attitudes will not play well in the West. Thus, the official policy of Muslim countries like Malaysia is to condemn Islamic terrorism. When need be (often right after a spectacular Muslim terrorist attack), Muslim countries and organisations are quick to release generalised, pro-forma, and mealy-mouthed condemnations of ‘all kinds of terrorism’. Strangely enough, however, they can never get around to disavowing Hamas, Hizbullah, Al Qaeda, etc. specifically and by name. Yet all the while, the mass media and much of the general public in Muslim nations, as seen in the Malaysian media coverage of Azahari’s death, are rather sympathetic to these cold-blooded killers.

Many Westerners believe that all this pro-terrorist talk will go away once economic prosperity comes to the Islamic world. Perhaps. However, it’s important to point out that many, if not most middle and upper class Muslims, share these pro-terrorist attitudes. So let’s just face the fact that, if you are a kafir (and most people on the planet are), a whole lot of Muslims want you dead or converted to Islam.....unless you're Jewish, in which case, only dead will do.

But don’t just take my word for it. You can look it up.....in the Muslim media.

16 comments:

  1. cruzeiro wrote:
    Ha ha.
    I still remember how Kadir refused to condemn the "rage-boys" - instead, he lashed out at me for equating Islam with some nut-cases - and insinuated that I was bashing Islam.
    Some "rational minded" people fell like freeway also fell for it!
    28/06 16:39:24

    cruzeiro wrote:
    Guys,
    You want an illustration of what anti-jihadist is talking about (not that we dont know), just go to Farish Noor's 27/06: Stirring the ‘Militant Islam’ Bugbear Again?.
    The discussion will show how these apologists talk, illustrated by zaki77 - lots of rhetoric with no substance.
    28/06 19:54:55

    cruzeiro wrote:
    The Islamists are really stirring the hornets nest ......
    Now we will see the rise of the Christian right (conservatives) in response over the next decade.
    just watch ...
    28/06 22:00:18

    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Cruzeiro,

    Look here....the infidels have adopted a Muslim past time: raging.

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    Mohammed Burned in Effigy
    "A group in Denmark burned an effigy of Mohammed (instead of a witch) at the traditional midsummer festival."

    "We declare:
    Saint Hans’ Eve has always celebrated the tradition of burning away the evil, in earlier times symbolized by the witch, who was supposedly directly connected to Satan. And if the witch was not burned then the harvest could not be safely brought into the house.
    Now a new evil has arrived in Europe, an evil that lies and kills in the name of their so-called God. An evil that springs from the so-called Prophet Mohammed. Therefore, in our time, it is he who symbolizes evil and it is not just one harvest that will disappear, but all of Western Europe’s future that will vanish if this evil is not dispatched to Hekkenfeldt [i.e. Hell, literally the Hekla volcano in Iceland — BB].
    Therefore will we burn the so-called Prophet Mohammed, on June 23, 2007, in three nameless places.
    We burned Mohammed in three different places across the country. We now release the video from the first burning. The next videos will be released on July 23 and August 23.
    For a Mohammed-free Denmark!!!"

    http://tinyurl.com/2g9c7s

    Here's the link direct to YouTube. Better watch it before they pull it!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ef7nd
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    This is one rage fest I support!

    Hey Muslims, how does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot?
    29/06 00:21:39

    anon wrote:
    To the Anti- Jihadist,

    We do know that azahari is a ruthless terrorist. It would have been more credible if those photos were real photos thus more believable, not that we don't know. But as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

    I saw on TV lately, an Islamist terrorist who was caught and was smiling all the time....when he was being interviewed. That I thought was absolutely sad. After killing so many innocent people he said that he would do it all again if he was set free!

    People like these should not be loosed upon the world.

    Forgot his name and which group he belongs to. I think he was from the Islamiah Jemaah group or was it Hamas?

    Well, this is what indoctrination does to you. Brainwashing as I stated before is a powerful tool.

    Some time ago, I believe that some members of Al Qaeda had a meeting here, Terengganu or Kelantan. How on earth did the people in power allowed that baffles me.

    Imagine my shame when I was told about this by an American and here I was defending this country saying that Malaysia would never harbor (in any way) known terrorists.

    It was well-known throught America. Looks like they and the outside world know more about things that we don't. That of course is true as the mainstream papers are not about to splash all over their paper that terrorists are having a clandestine meeting here.

    It's like that Ghazali guy who said 'I told them ( the army personnel ) to "shoo", not shoot'! ( the boat people ) which was his defence.

    Right. Since when did the army (all of them) was suddenly very proficient in English or should I say, the semantics of the language.Or perhaps they were hard of hearing as a result of being trigger happy. At least Ghaz should have said that instead of making himself a laughing stock.

    Over here, people like these are aleways in denial.

    A terrorist is a terrosrist, no matter what race they belong to. They are deplorable and pathetic. These are scumbags who get 'high' on killing people, innocent or otherwise.

    Peace.
    29/06 00:43:20
    anon wrote:
    Correction:It was well-known throught America.

    Should read, it was well known throughout or all over America and the rest of the world.
    29/06 00:46:24

    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Mr. Smith said:
    The deep divide between the Muslim World and the Civilized World will remain till Judgement Day.
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    Or until the Civilized World gets off its ass and decides that enough is enough.

    Muslims grumble and whine about being under siege. They ain't seen shit yet. Wait until European nationalism is stoked up again to its peak.
    29/06 09:54:16

    cruzeiro wrote:
    FFT,
    The videos have been removed!
    Anyway, that's just the beginning .... they ain't seen nothing yet!
    They think the "Holy Roman Empire" does not exist - they have been fooled by its sophisticated facade.
    They haven't tasted the wrath of the Vatican/ Rome (which has been pretty "accomodating" thus far) - they just don't get it - why the German cardinal (Ratzinger) who is a theologically and politically a hardline conservative, was made the Pope. He may not last long, but his powerful ideas have a strong following.
    They underestimate the might of the Christian right (read extremists/ rage boys!) has been shut up since WW2. These scumbags will rise again worldwide, should the Islamist morons keep provoking them!
    In the end, none will be spared - all will suffer.
    29/06 10:41:29

    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Malaysia is applying every facet of Islamic terrorism in the everyday practices by those in authority.

    http://www.nst.com.my/Curre...
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    Restaurant Seetharam, a few doors away, was also cited for similar offences. The raiding team confiscated three pictures of Hindu deities placed behind the cashier’s counter.
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    Apparently, now non-Muslim private-owned businesses are being told by Islamofascist terrorists from JAKIM what they can and cannot display on their business premises. If at all, such regulations should be under City Hall, not the Islamonazi Brigade. So when Muslim twats wonder out aloud why non-Muslims are fussing about JAWI, JAKIM, well...now you know. It is Islamonazism that is encroaching into the private domain of those who don't want anything to do with Islam.

    Frankly, with each passing day, we can all observe that there is nothing good that comes from Islam. It is rotten to the core. And the Malays are becoming increasingly daft the more they embrace this rotten maggot-infested ideology.
    29/06 14:48:06

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  2. cruzeiro wrote:
    FFT,
    you should've put this up too:-

    "A notice was issued, saying that the restaurant did not have halal certification from Jakim and also did not have Muslim workers. The owner was asked to rectify the situation. The team took away a picture of Mecca and another with verses from the Quran.

    Aiswaria owner Jehabar Ali Hussain Kader said yesterday: "I have not broken any laws. It’s ridiculous that I was cited for these offences. I never knew that it is an offence to display religious pictures in my premises. Being a Muslim, I purchase food items from a halal vendor."

    It was a show of "power" by a team of bureaucrats, in the name of religion, .... could it be that they were refused "free makan"?
    29/06 15:29:57

    cruzeiro wrote:
    Sagaladoola wrote:
    Choose peace and associate it with Islam. Do not use the basis of violence and bind it with Islam. If you love the religion and Allah, make sure you do a good service for it by portraying a good image on itself.
    ===========================

    if only these terrorist apologists (like some "specimens" who do so on MT) would think like that, and be bold enough to come out openly and condemn atrocities by Islamists, instead of being "chicken", the world would be a better place for all.
    29/06 17:57:35

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  3. Shahidan wrote:
    The moronic brigade are on their standard rampage of bigotry. What is the basis for theantijihadiast and the moronic brigade taking this holier than thou attitude? Are we to believe that their sense of justice and moral outrage stems from their opposition the violence committed by ‘Islamic’ terrorist groups? I think not. They are merely expressing their bigotry from the other side of the divide, but without the wherewithal to committ the acts of their terrorist counterparts. In other words these are armchair terrorists, in contrast to the real MacCoy that they are so fond of going into a rage against. They are also more cowardly than their real terrorist counterparts because they rebel rouse others to do the dirty job for them. But then, what would you expect from cowardly anonymous bloggers?

    In the four years since the invasion of Iraq by their US imperialist heroes, a million Iraqis have perished who would otherwise be alive had the country not been invaded. In the decade before the invasion some million and a half Iraqis perished under the sanctions regime imposed by the US and its allies, half a million of them children. Haven’t heard any moral outrage from these morons.

    I have condemned Al Qaeda and similar groups for their acts of terrorism because their acts in the name of religion, Islam, besmirches the overwhelming majority of that religion who do not subscribe to terrorism. But it is also beyond dispute that as terrorists, OBL and Al Qaeda are baby terrorists when compared to Bush, Blair and empire, the world’s numero uno terrorists. To suggest that the ‘official policy of Muslim countries like Malaysia is to condemn Islamic terrorism’ and make ‘mealy mouthed condemnations of all kinds of terrorism’ as not do so will ‘not play well in the West’ is like saying you either condemn only Muslim terrorists and exonerate the terrorism of Zionism and the US, or you don’t qualify for theaantijihadist brownies.

    Hamas and Hizbullah are resistant movements. They are defined as terrorists by the world’s number one terrorist, the US regime, and its local terrorist surrogate, israel.
    Would you call recognising these movements as resistance movements as appeasing Islamic terrorism? Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people. But because they refused to play according to the rules set by the Israeli terrorist state, they were squeezed by the US and Europe. Is it Hamas’s almost harmless home made rockets that defines tham as terrorists?

    Will be back to this topic later.
    29/06 20:43:27

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  4. cruzeiro wrote:
    Shahidan, you must be a member of the Islamic Rage boy brigade.
    strange that your "brothers/ comrades" prefer the decadent kafir lifestyle and technology to your sand dune, goat shagging lifestyles.
    You must be one frustrated shagger, who needs a scapegoat to shag on, to release some stress from the repression you suffered in your indoctrination!
    Poor thing ....
    29/06 21:52:17

    Shahidan wrote:
    Abangcina is obviously suffering from blue ear disease. He wrote, “If you're an al-Queda, a baby terrorist as you proclaim…” Please quote where I have ever supported Al Qaeda to be called ‘an Al Qaeda’? But suffering from a vacuum between the ears with hardly any grey matter, I will excuse you because morons like you are all over MT making any wild accusations they like without providing a shred of evidence.

    MegaMalaysian wrote, ‘.So I suppose you are more than ready to strap some dynamite around your waist and blow urself up for those 77 virgins?’ Well mega moron, I have not supported terrorism and I don’t see the relevance of your question.

    You also posted the following, ‘Is the ummahs vision so myopic that they can only (should I say, choose) to see the germs in the ocean when u have a stinking fat elephant right in front of their eyes?’ As it turns out, I placed the stinking fat elephant in front of your eyes in the form of the deaths in Iraq because of the invasion by US imperialism and you are still going on about the number of Jewish women and children killed by Muslims. You also think I am pushing the numbers on Iraqi deaths and provide Wikepedia as a source to refute me.

    Here is what your source said: “[edit] 2006 Excess Mortality Study
    Main article: Lancet surveys of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq
    The October 2006 Lancet study[36][37] estimated total excess deaths up to July 2006. Total deaths (civilian and non-civilian) include all additional deaths due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poorer healthcare, etc.. The survey estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war. The 2006 study involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006. More households were surveyed than during the 2004 study, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. The result was disputed by President Bush based both on the number of deaths and the methodology.

    Although the British Government initially tried to dispute the accuracy of the Lancet survey, the UK Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser later said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust"[39]. The Lancet survey figure is the only statistically accurate casualty figure which is intended to show the total excess deaths (rather than lower limits, provided by surveys of only those deaths reported to authorities or media agencies).”

    Note that the chief scientist of the Ministry of Defence acknowledged the methodlology of the Lancet study as being close to best practice. This was also the conclusion of the chief scientist of the Ministry of Overseas Development. The survey was for the period up to July 2006. We are now at the end of June 2007 and the carnage has continued. So the figure should be closer to a million than the figure provided by Lancet up to July of 2006.

    The stinking elephant in front of your eyes is being missed by your prejudice and bigotry such that you are making apologies for crimes not committed by you but by your master. You obviously don’t read even your own sources to cite for your rebuttal, what a priced moron you are.
    30/06 02:41:10
    Shahidan wrote:
    With reference to Palestinian home made rockets, you say, ‘ Tell that to the innocent Israeli lives lost from the qassam and katyusha rockets...’ Actually the Palestinians fire Qassam rockets. How many innocent Israeli lives have been lost from these rockets in the past six years? Let a progressive Jewish writer tell that to the ‘innocent’ Israelis: “Mordechai Eliyahu, former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel and key spiritual guide for Israeli settlers in Palestinian territory… in early June, wrote to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. He offered his decree: having compassion with the civilian population of Gaza is incompatible with protecting Israeli soldiers’ lives. Those holding supposedly humane feelings imperil Israeli lives. The rabbi’s son, Shmuel, interpreted this decree: “If killing 100 Arabs is not sufficient to stop the launching of Qassam rockets at Israel, then 1,000 must be killed. And if that is not sufficient, then 10,000, and 100,000 and even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”

    Eliyahu claimed that “all civilians living in Gaza” are “collectively guilty for Qassam attacks on Sderot” and that “there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.”

    Journalist Avnery found the letter in Olam Katan [Small World], “a weekly pamphlet to be distributed in synagogues nationwide. Eliyahu wrote that “This is a message to all leaders of the Jewish people not to be compassionate with those who shoot [rockets] at civilians in their houses.” Eliyahu's son, Shmuel Eliyahu, chief rabbi of Safed, said his father “advocated carpet bombing the general area from which the Qassams were launched, regardless of the price in Palestinian life.” (Avnery, Gush Shalom, June 9, 2007)

    In his letter, Eliyahu justified his edict by quoting from Psalms. “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.”

    Avnery reported on Eliyahu’s disproportionate equation. Over the last six years, nine Israelis in Sderot died from “crudely built Qassam missiles.” Six hundred fifty (650) Palestinians died last year (more than half unarmed civilians, according to Amnesty International) from attacks by Israel, one of the most potent and sophisticated military powers in the world.”

    In Israel, so far neither outrage nor outcry has come from this bloody call. Instead, writes Avnery, “The number of rabbis who publicly support such methods has risen to the hundreds. Most of them come from the settlements,” where Jews have taken Palestinian land and water and built their own communities -- albeit the World Court declared that one nation cannot claim the conquered territory of another. (Gush Shalom)

    In the United States, Israeli propagandists and uncritically loyal supporters, including Congress, cling to the image of Israel as a besieged David surrounded by Goliaths, as a nation of democrats and justice seekers isolated in a sea of anti-democratic and unjust enemies. A nation with 200 nuclear missiles, the best conventional army, and the highest industrial and technological capacity in the region as poor little David…?

    In front of Washington, DC’s synagogues, signs declare: “We support Israel in its struggle for peace and justice.” Israel has shown little interest in either peace or justice. Its government knows no nation or group of nations would dare attack it lest it feel the wrath of a government well in tune with Rabbi Eliyahu’s sentiments. Israel has become Goliath. Hopefully, an Israeli David will also emerge and guide his people toward peace and justice. (Israel is bad for Jewish ethics
    - Saul Landau)
    Progreso Weekly, 21 June 2007
    30/06 02:41:26
    Shahidan wrote:
    Cruziero was called a thambi by RPK for making some typically stupid comments and in his rage said his goodbye to MT. You are like a bad penny. You don’t even know how to be abusive, simply cutting and pasting your mentor FFT. And yes, I am a fan of Rage Against the Machine.

    Theantijihadist is hiding from the question that I have posed to all you bigots and hate-mongers. Which is the bigger terrorist, US imperialism which views the likes of antijihadist as coloured scum and have killed millions, or Muslim terrorists who view the ‘other’ as kafir and have killed a miniscule number of innocents in comparison. As members of the moronic brigade are very quick to point fingers, let me make it clear that I do not consider the latter any less terroristic because their violence is smaller in scale.

    I asked what was the basis of your opposition to terrorist violence perpetrated by extremist Muslim groups? Are you opposed to terrorism from a moral perspective, or you just bigots who are merely echoing like sheep the anti-Islamic agenda of imperialism.

    If you oppose terrorist violence because you consider it to be morally repugnant, why are you selective in only opposing Muslim terrorists and not the much bigger terrorism of imperialism?

    Incidentally, I write from a secular internationalist perspective and defend my fellow-Muslims against the bigotry of coloured scum of empire and its many shades of apologists.
    30/06 02:42:27

    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Right on cue. The Friday khutbah delivered by Imam Shahidan bin Laden.

    For all the poppycock regarding the "evil" Israeli superterrorists, isn't it curious that Gaza Palestinians have been migrating en masse as best as they can into Israel to escape the perfect Islamdom of Hamas-controlled Gaza? Strange, really strange.
    30/06 07:04:36

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  5. theantijihadist wrote:
    I recently read some carefully researched figures that tallied up the total number of victims of Islamic imperialism over the past 1400 years. The total number of victims is staggering-- about 270 million dead Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, animists, Zoroastrians, and Jews at the hands of Islamic imperialists.

    Very compelling information, I'd say. So compelling, I think that's gonna be the topic of my next column. Looking forward to it.
    30/06 07:53:07

    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Gat a Life said:
    Is it about Islam and terrorism?
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    The last time I looked at the way Islam is being practiced, it seems that Islam is indeed terrorism.
    30/06 09:33:15
    FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    cruzeiro said:
    FFT,
    you should've put this up too:-
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    I deliberately left that out.

    I think it is just fine and dandy that ordinary Muslims now get to reap what they have sown with their quiet acquiescence towards Islamic extremism. May they all get shafted a hundred times over with a sandcrusted dildo.

    But Islamonazis in JAKIM or whatever have no business poking around non-Muslim establishments. Out of their jurisdiction.
    30/06 09:38:22
    cruzeiro wrote:
    Shaidan wrote:
    Cruziero was called a thambi by RPK for making some typically stupid comments and in his rage said his goodbye to MT. You are like a bad penny. You don’t even know how to be abusive,
    ....................

    The spat with RPK was about the establishment of a theocracy - I would never agree with that, even if it was by the "towelheads" of my religion. Too bad people like you can't see without your "islamist glasses". You obviously did not bother to read my reply, or chose to ignore it. So, go do you homework, leh?
    As for Thambi, it only means "adik" - I got no problems with that ... does your ass itch for my presumed "hurt feelings"?
    I'm sorry Shahidan, if you weren't happy with my words - but I'm glad that you're flattered! and of course, being abusive is a hallmark of rage-boys, and I definite don't belong there, Shahidan.
    If you believe I'm a bad penny, so be it - not that anyone can make you see things otherwise on anything else anyway.

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    "If you oppose terrorist violence because you consider it to be morally repugnant, why are you selective in only opposing Muslim terrorists and not the much bigger terrorism of imperialism?"

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    Hey, it's only becos you dominate the headlines with your "glamorous" images in the name of Islam, over the last 35 yrs, sayang!
    There is no other "significant religious cause" as "glamorous" as the violent "jihadists". Even if there are, their exploits pale in comparison!

    To make matters worse, these scumbags who claim to be defenders of the faith, fill their bellies with Kafir enterprise, but preach hatred and destruction.

    Isn't that reason enough, or are you still blinded with your "islamist glasses"?

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    Incidentally, I write from a secular internationalist perspective and defend my fellow-Muslims against the bigotry of coloured scum of empire and its many shades of apologists.

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    Now Shahidan, you have indeed proven me wrong .... Islamists do have a sense of humour, despite their delusions.
    LOL.

    Now go shag off the hatred, repression and frustration as a result of your indoctrination.
    30/06 10:20:49

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  6. Shahidan wrote:
    Naruto, you are spot on when you say the morons here have no moral compass. They do not argue from a perspective of establishing the truth, they rather vent their bigoted worldview on MT regardless of how irrational you demonstrate their bigotry to be. And here is another diatribe from the moronic brigade in the form of the armchair terrorist FFT, in his typical apologia for Zionism, writing: “For all the poppycock regarding the "evil" Israeli superterrorists, isn't it curious that Gaza Palestinians have been migrating en masse as best as they can into Israel to escape the perfect Islamdom of Hamas-controlled Gaza? Strange, really strange. “

    There is no response to the issues raised by Saul Landau on the moral transgressions committed by Zionism against Judaism and the people of Palestine. Understandable, considering where it is coming from. This moron without a moral compass thinks it really strange that Gaza Palestinians are escaping into Israel from the internecine violence.

    Gaza is one massive prison camp. In fact, it is the biggest prison in the world. All movements in and out of this prison, including food, water, fuel, power and people, are controlled by the Israelis. Everything is turned on and off at the Zionist regime’s pleasure. When violence breaks out in a prison, many of its inmates will seek safety and accept any escape route to get out of the conflict zone. Rather than question why the Palestinians in Gaza are thus imprisoned, morons ask why they seek sanctuary through as Israeli escape route. Rather than ask why the Palestinian political landscape has seen the emergence of Hamas in the first place, apologists regurgitate like sheep the terrorist label against Hamas because their Zionist mentors so label them. If the problem is ‘Islamdom of Hamas controlled Gaza’, how come when Fatah was in control the same prison conditions prevailed in Gaza?

    Here is what orthodox Jews think of the Zionist state of Israel as reported by Saul Landau. “One group of religious Jews believes Israel is anathema to Jewish ethics. On June 10, a group of Naturei Karta (Guardians of the City) joined a demonstration in Washington DC to protest the Israeli occupation of Palestine and of Syria’s Golan Heights. Back in October 2005, Neturei Karta leader Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss had made the group’s position clear about Israel and the Zionist movement. “The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands of Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda...What we want is not a withdrawal to the ‘67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them...”
    30/06 12:22:26
    Shahidan wrote:
    “Do you realize, that a man who calls himself a Jew,” he continued, “gave orders to Israeli young men and women in the army or police to kill Palestinian civilians, to break their bones [referring to Labor Party Defense Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, who in 1989 urged Israeli soldiers to break the bones of Palestinian demonstrators]. Is such behavior compatible with our ethics? With morality on any level? As long as Israel exists as a state, Jewish men and women will commit unpardonable sins and pollute the religion for future generations. Israel has fomented a pernicious lobby in the United States and its equivalent in Europe to tell the non-Jewish public that it is a democratic David fighting a fanatical Goliath. This is a lie. No Messiah will ever return to such a terrible place. A state of Israel can exist only after the Messiah Returns.”

    As a child, my family elders, rabbis and other religious figures taught me the same lessons as Israeli journalist Uri Avnery learned: “Judaism is a humane religion, a ‘light unto the Gentiles’. Judaism means to loathe violence, to value the spiritual above the powerful, to turn an enemy into a friend. A Jew is allowed to defend himself. ‘If somebody comes to kill you, kill him first’ as the Talmudic injunction goes -- but not as a lover of violence and the intoxication of power.”

    These ideas long preceded the creation of Israel as a Jewish state, one that has been routinely at war -- or on the edge of war -- with its neighbors. After the 1967 war, Orthodox and Hassidic sects began to gain influence in Israeli politics and culture.

    Settlements grew in the territories taken in that war against Israel’s neighbors. And with these new colonies, some of them fervently religious, arose justification for discriminating against Palestinians who, began to acquire, in the language of these Israelis, the characteristics of the hated “other.” The great irony of course was that the Nazis had developed just such a language for Jews. What Israelis did to Palestinians was a far cry from the Holocaust, but nevertheless it sounded deeply discordant to Jews like myself to listen to devout rabbis justifying a system that former President Jimmy Carter called “apartheid” in his book.”

    I consider Saul Landau and Uri Avnery as friends/brothers/comrades seeking truth and justice. By the same token, I consider the bigots among the mosquito terrorist groups using the name of Islam as enemies. Can you bigots and race-hate mongers on MT adopt such an even handed approach? Bigotry by definition prevents you from doing this, does it not?
    30/06 12:22:41
    Shahidan wrote:
    Theantijihadist is still running away from my challenge by refusing to answer my question. He would rather go scour his library of hate sites and pull up from the rabbit’s hat another ‘bunch of facts’ stretching all the way back to 1400. I have made a tour of some these Hindu hate sites. Though I don’t believe they are representative of Hinduism, they do represent the sick fanatical Hindus. Are you a subscribing member to these hate sites, theantijihadist?

    Because you are not responding to my question as to why you are selective in your condemnation of terrorist violence, I am entitled to call you an immoral windbag and an apologist of empire. Now quickly rush off to your library of hate sites and churn out another bigoted anti-Islamic masterpiece.

    Cruzeiro, in contrast to the antijihadist at least responds to the question when he posts: "If you oppose terrorist violence because you consider it to be morally repugnant, why are you selective in only opposing Muslim terrorists and not the much bigger terrorism of imperialism?"

    ..................

    Hey, it's only becos you dominate the headlines with your "glamorous" images in the name of Islam, over the last 35 yrs, sayang!
    There is no other "significant religious cause" as "glamorous" as the violent "jihadists". Even if there are, their exploits pale in comparison!”

    ………………

    Though it is a stupid response, I appreciate he did not run away from the question. He does not deny being selective in his anti-terrorism. But cruzeiro, have you ever stopped to question who glamorizes and makes the cause of these extremist groups headlines? Who glamorizes the irrational in a sea of rational people? Does it not seem strange that a rational discussion by the likes of Farish Noor on the knighthood bestowed on Salman Rushdie will not be given space in the mainstream media in the West? In contrast, 200 traders in Karachi who offered money for the head of Rushdie was headlined or given major coverage by mainstream media globally. Do you think the irrational 200 are more representative than the rational voice of a Farish Noor or a Dr Azly Rahman? How come the irrational are headlined and the rational in the Islamic world left voiceless by mainstream media? Than along comes theantijihadist and others like him to pollute the MT bandwidth echoing the same and worse.

    The rest of cruzeiro’s comments are not worthy of comment.
    30/06 12:23:40

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  7. cruzeiro wrote:
    Shahidan,
    Why do you insist on being blind to facts?
    Who asks for this glamour?
    Who propagates this attitude to play to the affinity of sensationalism of the media?
    If primitive "muslim sentiments" aren't reported, then you'd probably say it's a jewish conspiracy of sorts to deny you the publicity! And mind you the Muslim Leaders too, lend lots of "legitimacy" to these sensationalists, instead of coming out boldly to criticise irrational behaviour, just as you are doing! And then you blame the media for publicising it?
    Boy! Shahidan, go shag a goat!
    Why are you so blind to see that nobody else screams for blood in the name of god - you are so blind, or choose to be so, in the name of Islamic brotherhood!
    30/06 12:57:54

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  8. cruzeiro wrote:
    Shahidan,
    Despite my harsh words of and on, I really mean no offence okay - sorry about that.

    It is just that, these weird guys have successfully managed to hijack and tarnish the image that you try so hard to portray, of Islam.

    What I don't understand is why, you who can be rational (at least, I think so) insist on defending them for their misbehaviour, with some form of logic or other - injustices to Muslims, Conspiracies, Islamic this and Islamic that - so much so, you end up being an apologist for misbehaviour of your muslim brothers.

    You have unwittingly become a victim of the extremist/ irrational lowlife propaganda, that you yourself would condemn - by thinking that to defend them and blame others for the circumstances is Islamic.

    When was the last time you heard of a mass action against injustice (valid, true or not)among Muslims, without using Islam, Islam, and more Islam?

    If anyone does that with any religion, you end up making a joke of yourself and being labeled as an extremist or irrational.

    That is what I wish the muslims would realize, and stop provoking the others with ideas of world domination through military conquest (instead of theological/intellectual), even if it were true.

    If only the Muslims realize that it is they themselves that provoke the Islamophobia, that they so cry foul about?

    If only the Muslims realize that a lot of their sufferings are brought upon them by their uncompromising dogmas of hatred to stir up the ummah and corruption in their communities in the name of Islam.

    If only the Muslims realize that it is not about Islam all the time.

    If only the muslims realize that the Palestinian political conflict or Arab political impotency has NOTHING, absolutely nothing to do with Islam .... unless you make it so for yourself in the name of Islam, of course!

    It's so tiring lah - I'll have a kit-kat.

    I wish ......

    Ciao, Shahidan.
    30/06 13:34:33

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  9. 'Why are you so blind to see that nobody else screams for blood in the name of god - you are so blind, or choose to be so, in the name of Islamic brotherhood!' Thus spake a member of the moronic brigade. Do they not read at all?

    Posted above you will find the Jewish (Zionist) religious leaders quoted thus: "Eliyahu's son, Shmuel Eliyahu, chief rabbi of Safed, said his father “advocated carpet bombing the general area from which the Qassams were launched, regardless of the price in Palestinian life.” (Avnery, Gush Shalom, June 9, 2007)

    "In his letter, Eliyahu justified his edict by quoting from Psalms. “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.” And, "The rabbi’s son, Shmuel, interpreted this decree: “If killing 100 Arabs is not sufficient to stop the launching of Qassam rockets at Israel, then 1,000 must be killed. And if that is not sufficient, then 10,000, and 100,000 and even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.” Killing in the name of religion.

    Ousting a people from their land and taking over their country in the name of God: "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971.

    "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 BBC News Online.

    "Everybody has to move, run and grab ss many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." - Ariel Sharon, Agence France Press, Nov 15, 1998. The grab has always been supported by Israeli armed force.

    Comment would be superflous.
    30/06 13:53:27

    cruzeiro wrote:
    Shahidan,
    As moronic as I may be, I believe I'm not so moronic as to believe that the above postings have anything to do with Islam per se.

    It is sad that you do.

    Nor did any of the postings have anything to do with God. What you actually showed is the fact that, you too are entitled to do what the Jews do with their religion, when it suits them!

    Sorry lah, I don't see anything there against Islam per se.

    It is a political conflict with plenty of land grab that goes on , as in all wars.

    The problem with you guys is, you keep seeing insults to Islam where it doesn't exist - you just Illustrated it.

    The Jews have used Zionism. Where's the significant Palestinian political platform?
    There's none that's truly viable - they are all vassals of other Arab states that constantly bicker.
    You can call that a Zionist conspiracy if you like (I won't dispute you on that), but the arabs don't need any help in raging among themselves - they are the ultimate "rage boys" ;-D - and have succeeded in converting a vast majority of muslims, to their "arab religion of hatred and anger" (and that I believe isn't what you claim to be Islam, and yet you fail to condemn them!).

    The Arabs tried Baathism, but failed miserably due to their inherent nature of cribbing and squabbling and greed.
    So now they have resorted to Islamising their conflict so as to build a political platform - it is this corruption that you fail to see.And hence, muslims have adopted the siege mentality as these terrorists (or freedom fighters, if you like).
    It is the oldest political trick in the book and modus operandi of the arabs too - subversion of religion to serve their purpose.
    You are therefore, a victim of the Arab campaign of subverting Islam through misinformation, and have failed to realize it!
    30/06 14:27:04

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  10. MegaMsian wrote:
    'Notice the last sentence, a Bob Ayers saying that the IRA might be responsible. There is a Bob Ayers quoted in Google news but no mention of IRA at all. Not even on the AFP website. Funny enough, when you news google Bob Ayers and IRA together - no article appears. Hmm, interesting. '..............................Chalk another one up for the sand-ragers and their pung-sai chua (toilet paper for non Hokkein speakers) press
    30/06 18:22:13
    creeper wrote:
    MegaMsian wrote:
    Chalk another one up for the sand-ragers and their pung-sai chua (toilet paper for non Hokkein speakers) press
    .........
    LOL!
    30/06 18:51:13
    Shahidan wrote:
    FFT lies even about basic facts and just can't quite get it right. He says, 'When the Israelis left, the Palestinians took their new-found independence and turned it into a mess.'

    When did the Palestinians ever have this new-found independence?

    It is politically illiterate to describe Gaza as an independent Palestinian state. There are certain basic but clearly defined attributes a society must possess to be categorized as an independent state. It must be able to legislate and implement its own laws within clearly defined territories; it must have its own armed forces to defend its sovereignty; and it must be able to trade and have diplomatic relations with the rest of the world. An independent state must be able to levy taxes and have its own infrastructure, including ports and airports. Since its occupation by Israel, Gaza has never had the above-mentioned attributes to label it as an independent state.

    Perhaps the armchair terrorist, FFT, is referring to the Sharon-initiated unilateral withdrawal from Gaza. What the Israelis left was a massive prison camp. Juan Cole (Google his site) refers to Sharon’s withdrawal of Israelis from Gaza in 2004 as, “….simply a way of moving them into the gated community, so as to keep them safe more cheaply than military patrols and reprisals could hope to. (Gaza had not been notably rundown in the 1940s, but the rise of Israel and the isolation of the Strip from its natural markets, especially after 1967, gradually turned it into a huge penitentiary.)”

    He also refers to Sharon's advisor, Dov Weisglass, who notoriously explained the Gaza withdrawal to Ha'aretz in October 2004:
    "I found a device, in cooperation with the management of the world, to ensure that there will be no stopwatch here. That there will be no timetable to implement the settlers' nightmare. I have postponed that nightmare indefinitely. Because what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did. The significance is the freezing of the political process. And when you freeze that process you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state and you prevent a discussion about the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package that is called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed from our agenda indefinitely. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. What more could have been anticipated? What more could have been given to the settlers?"

    FFT hss zero credibility because of his self-declared hero worship of and support for war-mongers Bush and Blair. So bankrupt of ideas is this moron that even the American people have been repudiating Bush, the polls holding steady at over 70%. His other hero Blair has been already pushed out by his own party.

    Now, FFT, go into another Islamophobic rant and call Muslims and Malays names. But I am sure we have heard it all before.
    30/06 20:39:46
    theantijihadist wrote:
    Mr Syahidan:

    Hey, isn't Blair, like, no longer the British PM anymore?

    Guess it's time to update your Muslim-apologist rant to "war-mongers Bush 'n Brown". Hey, both names still start with 'B'. so it's still got that bling-bling.
    30/06 21:01:14

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  11. Shahidan wrote:
    Cruzeiro wrote, 'Why are you so blind to see that nobody else screams for blood in the name of god..'

    And later added, 'Nor did any of the postings have anything to do with God. What you actually showed is the fact that, you too are entitled to do what the Jews do with their religion, when it suits them!'

    My point very simply was to show that Zionists too committ terrorism in the name of God. Golda Meir and the Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel and key spiritual guide for Israeli settlers in Palestinian territory also uses the name of god to advance state terrorism.

    Why then do you assert that 'nobody else screams for blood in the name of God'? You are being selective in your condemnation because you do not acknowledge extremists from other religions do the same, but you are being Islamophobic when you single out only this group. I won't go into the Christian and Hindu sources to also produce the extremist versions of these religions as I do not consider these extremists to be representative of theie religions.

    In contrast, I also quoted Neturei Karta, a Jewish group, whose leader Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spelt out their position on Israel and the Zionist movement. This was to illustrate that not all Jews are Zionists and that only the Zionists committ terrorism in the name of God.

    My own view is that throughout history, political movements have hijacked religions to advance political agendas for territorial conquests as well as for mobilising against invaders for self defence. The latter may be less pernicious than the former.
    30/06 21:52:00

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  12. FrenchFriedTacos wrote:
    Shahidan said:
    Because I condemn the terrorism of Al Qaeda and all the mosquito terrorist groups using the Islamic label, I am being logically consistent when I demand the same moral standard be applied to US imperialism.
    -------------------------------------------

    That is hardly logical consistency. Let's try decomposing this paragraph of yours a little further.

    From the get go, you have very implicitly tried to minimize the extent of crime by referring to these groups as "mosquitos".

    Further, you demand the same "moral standards", simply to diffuse the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing and attempt to dilute the severity of Islamic terrorism by painting others in the same light.

    This state of mind isn't new, really. It is a consistent theme among Muslim minds, especially those who can articulate their points in a manner slightly better than the average inbred simpleton.

    Your sleight of hand by saying you condemn al Qaeda and other "mosquito" groups doesn't fool most people in here. al-Qaeda and these other groups aren't the root of the problem (eh...aren't you guys big fans of seeking "root causes"?). These groups are but a consequence of the real problem: Political Islam. Or more accurately, just plain vanilla Islam, as it is practiced globally.

    If there's one thing you Muslims have successfully "converted" me into believing, it is the notion of root causes. I'm all for root causes now. And the root from which this rot springs out from seems to be Islam, and no other.
    01/07 01:55:23

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  13. theantijihadist wrote:
    So, with all the attempted/actual MUSLIM terrorist attacks in the past 48 hours, I'd like to ask the many devout Muslim commenters (and their numerous sympathizers) here at M-T what might be the motivation behind this recent spate of attacks in the UK. A number of theories have been advanced. So, what is the most likely and why?

    -Afghanistan
    -Iraq
    -Palestine
    -Israeli-Hizbollah war in 2006
    -The Salman Rushdie Knighthood
    -The Danish cartoons that lampoon a certain 'prophet'
    -Bosnia
    -Kosovo
    -The defilement of the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm
    -the Spanish expulsion of the Moors from Spain
    -Richard the Lionheart's actions during the Crusades
    -immoral Western behavior

    Multiple choice selections are allowed.

    Imagine that this is a serious question and you are an earnest policy analyst, eager to remove the principal sources of discontent and hatred which you believe underlie these attacks.

    So, how would you go about approaching the problem?
    01/07 13:15:04

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  14. Shahidan wrote:
    The antijihadist said, “Islam is a system of duality par excellence. There's one set of rules for men, and another for women. And the duality doesn't stop there for Islam. There's one standard for Muslims, and another standard altogether for kafirs. Sounds like a good topic to cover in an upcoming column. Thanks much for bringing up the idea, Shahidan!”

    Islamophobia does produce major blind spots, as antijihadist demonstrates. All the major religions are hobbled by the dualities you refer to. Religions are by definition given to protecting their patch and offering a better standard of treatment to their own flock rather than that of the other. I am not suggesting this is justified or okay. The point is that your bigotry and shallow knowledge makes you rant against one side while the blind spots prevent you from seeing the same phenomena on the other side of the divide.

    These other religions, particularly Christianity and Judaism, are also patriarchal and hence the inferior status of women. In the developed West, even as the separation of State and Church evolved over the centuries, the ugly head of patriarchy remained and is still the dominant element of its capitalist ideology. The rights of women to a vote in the West came about because the women fought for it, with enlightened males from the labour movements in tow, and not because the Church was enlightened and gave women these rights.

    As for your Muslim/kafir duality, such duality also runs through the history of Catholic/Protestant Europe, not to mention the Crusades and the Inquisition, featuring massacres of whole communities by one group against the other. Europeans eventually grew out of it and became more tolerant as religion was relegated out of the political power structures. There is no reason why such an evolution will not occur in Islamic societies with people concerned not with literalist interpretations of their religion, particularly as the acquisition of knowledge, science and technology becomes a greater preoccupation. Though such change will remain a major challenge in the decades ahead for the enlightened tendencies among Muslims, it will not be at centre stage for as long as imperialist intervention in Muslim- majority nations provides grist to the conservative Muslim mill.

    Here is Antijihadist with another profound statement: “As far as Malaysian terrorists go, my research has uncovered at least several hundred Malay terrorists who are currently or recently active with groups like JI, Abu Sayyaf, etc, in locales around SE Asia.

    How many families of these terrorists have extended formal, public apologies, or apologies to the victims of the attacks carried out by their relatives? The next apology I hear from a Malaysian terrorist's family will be the first.”

    Now, there has to be a limit to stupidity. You, an anonymous blogger, quoting anonymous sources for undefined terrorist acts committed by hundreds of Malay terrorists in Southeast Asia want an apology from unknown family members of these unknown terrorists. So life in your ‘Alice in Wonderland’ world requires no burden of proof or any such airy fairy ideas as you level your charges against your adversaries. Typical.

    So antijihadist, go write another one-sided diatribe. We will subject it to some rational scrutiny. But don’t be a cut and paste bandit, as Farouk Peru would advise you, do some attribution to your sources when you quote someone.
    01/07 15:31:57
    Shahidan wrote:
    The modus operandi of the armchair terrorist and fascist, French Fried Tacos, is to run away when you ask him to justify something he writes. He then shamelessly goes on the attack again without explaining his totally flawed assertion in the first instance. But as suv observed, he comes to MT to poo allover without feeling obliged to clean it up. I had posed the following above, based on his own words:
    “FT lies even about basic facts and just can't quite get it right. He says, 'When the Israelis left, the Palestinians took their new-found independence and turned it into a mess.'

    When did the Palestinians ever have this new-found independence?

    It is politically illiterate to describe Gaza as an independent Palestinian state. There are certain basic but clearly defined attributes a society must possess to be categorized as an independent state. It must be able to legislate and implement its own laws within clearly defined territories; it must have its own armed forces to defend its sovereignty; and it must be able to trade and have diplomatic relations with the rest of the world. An independent state must be able to levy taxes and have its own infrastructure, including ports and airports. Since its occupation by Israel, Gaza has never had the above-mentioned attributes to label it as an independent state.”

    Memebers of the moronic brigade feel they can just make any assertion and do not need to provide proof nor apologise/retract when wrong. They just go on the same theme of abuse and lies as though they had not read your comments.
    01/07 15:33:34

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  15. Shahidan wrote:
    Now this moron FFT comes up with, ‘From the get go, you have very implicitly tried to minimize the extent of crime by referring to these groups as "mosquitos".’

    Let’s see now, which of these groups have armies deserving a better label than mosquito? Other than Al Qaeda, other terrorist groups using the name of Islamic are known to be smaller. If you totted up all the atrocities committed by the biggest Islamic terrorist group (Al Qaeda), they are minuscule in comparison with the terrorist atrocities committed by Empire. So it is wrong for the smaller terrorist (OBL and Al Qaeda) to commit atrocities, but okay for US imperialism to do so with impunity.

    I have asked, “Which is the bigger terrorist, US imperialism which views the likes of antijihadist as coloured scum and have killed millions, or Muslim terrorists who view the ‘other’ as kafir and have killed a miniscule number of innocents in comparison. As members of the moronic brigade are very quick to point fingers, let me make it clear that I do not consider the latter any less terroristic because their violence is smaller in scale.” So the issue of mosquito is really irrelevant.

    FFT probably picked up ‘cognitive dissonance’ from Wikepedia to impress members of the moronic brigade. But his central argument that I am attempting to dilute the severity of Islamic terrorism by painting others in the same light is certainly pathetic even by the shallow standards from this moron. Apart from the point I made in the above para, there have been so many posts on this subject in which I make the point that while terrorism by Islamic groups is fundamentally wrong and morally repugnant, we should be equally outraged by the state terrorism of US imperialism and its surrogate in West Asia, namely, Israel. Between the two, the terrorism of empire is more lethal, pernicious and consumes more victims in geometric proportions to that of the Islamic groups.

    Islamic terrorism is also a distraction because it provides mainstream media a field day taking focus away from the wrongdoings of Empire. The feeling of insecurity is ratcheted up in the West and the perception manageers create images of every Muslim being a potential terrorist.

    I do not condemn Al Qaeda’s terrorism to get brownie points from some pathetic anonymous bloggers like FFT, but because I believe taking the lives of non-combatant civilians is morally repugnant. So it matters not an iota if my position is not acceptable to the moronic brigade.

    FFT really does suffer from delusions of grandeur when he prescribes for the West to redefine the problem of terrorism as Islam. Some flight of fancy talking about the recent attempted bombings in London as ‘this outrage perpetrated by Muslims (how many Muslims, moron?) against our friends in the UK’ The rest of the diatribe is not worth wasting time on. A house slave like FFT forgets his place as coloured scum in the hierarchy of things in the West.

    Okay, more pressing matters call. Maybe tomorrow or the day after will provide an opportunity to engage the moronic brigade.
    01/07 15:48:48

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  16. rickteo wrote:
    No offence to any one......good reading!



    The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!!!

    Allah or The Lord Jesus Christ? ... By Rick Mathes

    Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained ! each of their beliefs.

    I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

    After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

    When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

    There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"

    I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?"

    The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar."

    He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

    I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!"
    The Imam was speechless!

    I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"

    You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
    Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were. Not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.

    In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the US . To elect the President! I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the Liberal justice system, liberal media and the ACLU, there! is no way this will be widely publicized.

    Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

    This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known
    leader in prison ministry.

    The Man who walks with God always gets to his destination.

    If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
    01/07 21:01:31
    cruzeiro wrote:
    Shahidan wrote:
    My point very simply was to show that Zionists too committ terrorism in the name of God. Golda Meir and the Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel and key spiritual guide for Israeli settlers in Palestinian territory also uses the name of god to advance state terrorism.

    Why then do you assert that 'nobody else screams for blood in the name of God'? You are being selective in your condemnation because you do not acknowledge extremists from other religions do the same, but you are being Islamophobic when you single out only this group. I won't go into the Christian and Hindu sources to also produce the extremist versions of these religions as I do not consider these extremists to be representative of their religions.
    ...........................

    Yes, there are fringe sects and groups with political motives who do scream for blood - but I don't recall any that have such a worldwide appeal as seen among Islamist apologists.
    Shahidan - it is you who have equated Islam with terror, and then have resorted to calling me an Islamophobe!
    Zionism isn't a religion - it is a Jewish nationalist ideology.
    I have a phobia for terrorists, more so for those who do it in the name of God - no matter which religion - not Islam per se. If that makes me an Islamophobe, I'm guilty as charged, and I wouldn't apologize.
    Why has this blackened the face of Islam only, you may ask.
    It appears to me that in no other religion, do they garner such widespread, worldwide support. In Islam, violence has become a worldwide phenomenon, unlike in other ideologies.
    Then you label those who abhor these violence, "Islamophobes"!
    You choose to drive a wedge between those professing Islam and other Ideologies with violence, then blame them for not understanding the peace of Islam?
    Nobody said what the "neo-colonialists" that you call the Empire, isn't doing things wrong. But at least the good that they have done is out there for all to see, and it outweighs the bad.
    Now, what good have these terrorists done to demand equal stature as the "Empire" as you put it? Zilch.
    If at all anything, they use the resources, technology and science of the "Empire", to send any nation that they dominate to the middle ages, while hating and envying them for their prosperity!
    So, they have been persecuted and injustices have been committed against them - yes, they can fight on a political platform. There is no need for them to justify their evils (they are not immune to it, you know) by hijacking a religion (or deen). It simply is not justifiable, just becos the other guy is doing it!
    It is good that you have come out to say that you do condemn terrorism - I appreciate that.
    I do hope you understand also that the Palestinian conflict has nothing to do with Islam.
    As things are you guys have become sitting ducks to negative media publicity that you get from the "Empire" - in fact, I'm quite aware (as are many of your critics) that not all acts of terror publicised are the doings of Muslim "terrorists".
    Unfortunately, these mosquitoes are so many, that even you can't deny it, if it (reports) were untrue - hence, you play into the hands of the "enemy", and destroy the kind face of Islam that you try so hard to build.
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    You wrote:
    My own view is that throughout history, political movements have hijacked religions to advance political agendas for territorial conquests as well as for mobilising against invaders for self defence. The latter may be less pernicious than the former.
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    So, are you saying it is justified?
    Are you really saying that every Islamist rebellion, anger, bombing, atrocity and anti-establishment action worldwide in the name of God is justified?

    For God's sake, if not Islam's, I hope not.

    Bottom line is, Shahidan, it is wrong to hijack a religion for a political cause, Period - no buts, ifs or why nots.

    You(meaning all apologists for terrorists - not you only Shahidan), as I see it are actually trying to defend Islam (not terror), but have got it confused with political agendas.
    When Islamist terrorists are condemned, you jump to their defense, thinking that you are defending Islam (as intended by these terrorists). If you (meaning all apologists for terrorists - not you specifically) do not support them, you fear being ostracised in some way for being "unIslamic", or feel that you betray your God.

    That is why, the image of Islam has been tarnished worldwide.

    Draw a line between the politics and the "deen" - and all will be fine again.

    Peace.
    01/07 23:07:51

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