Hishamudin, Mukhriz & DJZ - a Reply to Comment on MT

[Today's post is in BM, as it involves the issue of language in education - I don't want ignorance of Either English or Malay to be an excuse for being unable to articulate arguments. The following are my comments in MT pertaining to the articles given as links.
Comments in Malay are welcome]

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written by MalaysianUnited, December 13, 2008 11:01:05
(on Malaysia Today's "Chinese schools in the crosshairs" discussion)
"Pada saya, keunikan sesebuah negara adalah kerana bahasa mereka.....
Ia berbalik kepada soal pokok..keinginan sesebuah negara untuk mencapai tahap intelektual yang tinggi dan ketamadunan yang agung."

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Dear MU,
Betul cakap you pasal bahasa tu .....
Walaupun saya tidak menyokong pendirian DJZ, mereka memang ada sebab2 yg manasabah. Saya juga setuju sedikit pendapat Mukhriz, walaupun cadangannya "tak bertempat".
Saya rasa masing2 kurang telus dlm pendirian mereka. Masing2 membuat kenyataan demi kepentingan mereka yang tersendiri.

Hal DJZ .....
Kalaulah latihan guru2 adalah utk mengajar dlm bahasa Mandarin ke, Melayu ke, Jepun ke - mereka lebih senang mengajar dlm bahasa itu. Tak bolehlah ahli politik suka2 nak tukar bahasa. Kalau ya pun kena lah beransur2 dgn mengadakan aliran bahasa Inggeris, sambil malatih guru2 dlm bahasa pengantar itu betul2. Ini tidak, dia buat style Kangkung - hantar cikgu tu utk latihan "crash course"!! Dia org ni (macam Mahathir/ Hishamudin)tak paham ke ... kalau nak mengajar, seseorg itu hendaklah boleh "berfikir" dlm satu2 bahasa pengantar tu?

Skrg hal Mukhriz pulak ....
Dgn adanya unsur2 apartheid, rasisme dan keugamaan yang melampau di sekolah2 kebangsaan, sudah tentu mereka yg skg memilih sekolah2 Cina/Tamil akan memberi seribu satu alasan untuk mengelakkan sekolah2 kebangsaan yg mengamalkan sistem pendidikan yg sempit dan berkualiti rendah.
Tengoklah apa yg jadi pada seorg guru yg menghina anak muridnya yg berketurunan Tamil baru2 ni - nothing!! Tengok apa tindakan yg diambil pada guru2 yg menghina agama lain - nothing!! Macam mana pula dgn guru2 yg memecah-belahkan kanak2 dan menyuruh mereka supya jgn berkawan dgn org "kufr" - nothing!!!
You pikir DJZ nak anak murid mereka pergi ke sekolah2 sebegini?
Sorry, brader - no can do!
Ramai diantara org bukan melayu lebih rela menghadapi apa saja "on their own terms", daripada dipaksa menerima penindasan yg mungkin mereka hadapi di sekolah2 sebegini.

Pihak BN sebenarnya lebih suka dgn adanya sekolah2 aliran bahasa lain. Apa yg dikatakan oleh Mukhriz itu cuma bermain politik, dan bukannya ikhlas.
Bukan sahaja itu, pihak BN juga tahu bahawa ini adalah satu isu yg sensitif yg boleh diapi2kan, supaya dapat menggugat keamanan negara - dgn itu mereka bolehlah mengunakan undang2 darurat "demi menjaga keamanan". Dgn membenarkan sekolah2 sebegini semakin popular, mereka boleh mendabik dada dan berkata bahawa mereka mengamalkan "keadilan" sambil menambah nilai2 negative di SK dgn alasan Ketuanan Melayu.

Mereka sendiri tahu bahawa tahap kualiti di SK telah jauh merosot sehingga mereka tak sanggup hantar anak2 mereka keSK - tetapi mereka tidak mahu mengubah sistemnya sebab mereka nak bermain politik dan menipu raykat jelata.

Kalau betul lah Mukhriz hendak menyatukan sistem pendidikan kita, dia seharusnya menegur Kementerian Pendidikan yg diketuai oleh Menteri kesayangan kita yg suka menghunus kris, dan juga bakal PM kita yg dulu kononnya hendak memandikan keris dgn darah Cina tu. Sepatutnya, mereka mengamalkan meritokrasi utk miniggikan tahap pendidikan, sambil mengutuk "penindasan" dan masalah disiplin yg sering berlaku disekolah2 kebangsaan.

Isu pokok sebenarnya bukanlah bahasa, walaupun itulah yg dilaung2kan. Kalaulah Sekolah2 Kebangsaan boleh bersaing tanpa mengira bangsa, agama, warna atau budaya, sambil mengamalkan sekularime & meritokrasi (dgn sedikit "affimative action" utk golongan miskin), masalah ini tidak akan wujud sama sekali. Tiada sebab kenapa rakyat tidak akan memilih SK jika kualiti pendidikan mereka lebih baik dari yg lain. Sekolah2 aliran Mandarin & Tamil akan pupus dgn sendiri kalau mereka tidak boleh bersaing dgn "market forces" dan SK2 menjadi pilihan rakyat.

Isu akar, pokok, cabang dan daun disini adalah keadilan, peluang dan kualiti pendidikan yang diberi oleh sistem sekolah2 kebangsaan.

Lagi satu - ramai org masih tak paham (Pemimpin Melayu & bukan Melayu) kepentingan BM dlm memupuk semangat "kenegaraan"/ "nationhood", dan juga cara menggunakan bahasa utk perpaduan (dan bukan utk chauvinisme)- sebab tu ramai tak boleh bertutur dlm BM dgn betul lepas berpuluh tahun duduk kat sini - mcm2 alasan dia org .....

Addendum:
Jadi tak payahlah nak mimpi/ angan2 Mat Jenin "untuk mencapai tahap intelektual yang tinggi dan ketamadunan yang agung", gemilang, cemerlang, terbilang, temberang dll, kalau rumah sendiri tak terjaga, ya .....
Kalau nak bertamaddun, hapuskan DEB dan BTN dulu - lepas tu, kita boleh cerita lagi .....
Si budak mentah Mukhriz tu, suruh dia jgn melopeh tak bertempat - tapi memang betul kata org tua2, kalau bapak kencing berdiri, masakan anak tak kencing berlari, kan?

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The following comment was addressed to Mansor Puteh, the druggie looking kangkung & pseudo-intellectual who wrote Vernacular schools are biased

written by cruzeiro, December 13, 2008 17:38:18
"My shoes were removed and they thought I had concealed drugs in the soles."
- Mansur Puteh, (the Steinbeck wannabe)
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Padan muko kau, Jang!
Tu lah. kan abah kau dah cakap - Bilo ekau keluar jalan, biar komeh sikit. Mandi dulu, sikat rambut. Ini tidak - suko bonar gayo kaki fid.

Dah lah tu. perasan mak dato, nak merepek - kononnya penulis, pengkritik seni, pengkritik politik, pembuat filem. Sodarlah diri kau tu jang oi- awak ni muko tak tau malu. Kulit Kobau. Hampeh! Paham tak?

Jgn pandai2 nak melopeh kek sini. Nak kutuk sistem pengajaran dlm bahasa pengantar lain konon- sodarlah sikit kenapo org lain menyampah kat SK tu.
Sebelum engkau kutuk sistem lain, betulkan sistem SK tu dulu. Paling penting, suruh si penghunus keris (seorang lagi - yg dulu nak mandikan keris dgn darah Cina) tu mintak ampun maaf. Kemudian, ambik tindakan tegas keatas cikgu2 rasis dan fanatik al-kangkung yg dilatih oleh Biro Tata Negara dan Kementerian Pendidikan. Paling penting - hentikan apatheid dlm sistem pendidikan kebangsaan. Lepastu nak melopeh, lantak kaulah. tapi den dongar, ekau ni tak payah melopeh - bau badan pun dah cukup hebat.

Padanlah kono tahan kek Belando - nasib baik tak kono sondol. Baik kau bersyukur, jang.
Kalau nak dongar lagi cerito den jemputlah ke blog den.

Hobbes justifies ISA? Go fly a Kite, Chin Huat!!!

"But why would people want a strong government?
Because we are fundamentally a Hobbesian nation.....
Blaming the BN for the ISA is easy, but such self-righteousness will blind us from acknowledging our own evil taste for authoritarianism."
-Wong Chin Huat, The Nut Graph

The basis of Lockean social contract is the consent of the governed derived from the natural rights.
On this basis, Locke formulated the justification of slavery and conquest in term of response to or retaliation to violation of natural right. This is, however, "but the state of war continued" and therefore all forms of slavery and tyranny are invalid by definition.
It thus follow that there is a moral injunction to rebell against such institutions. As a practical matter, in every society, a part must rule the whole. As the majority is composed of more will and is stronger than the minority, the will of society must be determined by the majority.
This makes liberal democracy a moral imperative of natural law and reason itself.
-Wikipedia

"Society can and does execute its own mandates:
and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle,
it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression,
since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.”
“The rulers should be identified with the people;
that their interest and will should be the interest and will of the nation.
The nation did not need to be protected against its own will.”
-John Stuart Mill

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This feeble attempt at a possible satire & sarcasm by Wong Chin Huat of the "Nut" Graph is pretty crappy. It is probably also an attempt at appearing to be "balanced" in favour of the apologists of a "strong government" - by blaming the people for the existence of the ISA.
The people have become the convenient scapegoat this time around.
The perpetrators of the campaign of disinformation, lies, apartheid, polarisation, suspicion, siege-mentality, ignorance, hatred, and violence (by threatening another May 13 on Television, that too!) - are in Wong Chin Huat's opinion, faultless!!!

In an attempt to appear to sound intellectual, this apologist for ISA,- this "political scientist by training and a journalism lecturer by trade, Wong Chin Huat uses the Federal Constitution as his “bible” to fend off the increasingly intolerable evil called “state” - quotes Thomas Hobbes in his article as a defense for ISA!
Is he Nuts or what?
Or maybe he's trying to live up to the name of The Nut Graph?
Maybe the SB didn't pay him a visit - maybe it was just a "macai" of that advocate of a "strong government" who might've met him at the anti ISA vigil last Sunday, where he probably wasn't called to speak ....

First and foremost, Chin Huat - it has never been proven that we need a "musclehead" Government or a circus for a Parliament, which Mahathir happens to propose.
We need good governance with an enlightened leadership - not idiots who resort to brute force when they are challenged intellectually.
Period!

"Social contract" as defined by Hobbes is something else, Chin Huat- here in UmnoLand, it is supposed to be what "Umno" wants, as and when it pleases.
In their dictionary, it doesn't have anything to do with the Federal Constitution which might fit Hobbes's definition. It has nothing to do with the "reason" which Thomas Hobbes would advocate in his definition.
Without a doubt - a bad government is better than no government.

But in our case, it isn't about "no government" - we do have alternatives, which certain quarters would not allow. It's about the rulers who perceive political and intellectual adversaries and an enlightened citizenry as enemies! It therefore strives to silence opposition, propagate hate , suspicion and apartheid under the guise of "education" and "benevolence".
To claim that Hobbes would declare our government is "benevolent" is true - probably relative to Stalinist USSR, I suppose.
Votes garnered out of gerrymandering, campaign of lies and ignorance is no measure of the people's desire. That's called "Cheating" on Umno's "level playing field", or the "social contract" as they see it!
So, to say that the people have traded-off their rights for "stability" with ISA, is at best a big lie!
The votes for BN weren't votes for ISA, (although that is what it amounts to in reality) as most people are in the dark where their rights are concerned - or at least are terrified to exercise their rights, lest they lose their small mercies granted by the almighty Goons!

The problem Chin Huat doesn't seem to realize, is the fact that it isn't the people who desire a "strong government" - it is the government that desires it, so that they get do anything they desire (right or wrong) with impunity in the absence of counter-checks.
To make matters worse, we are today left with a shell of a judiciary, and a pathetic parliament, where foul-mouthed idiots masquerade as "leaders" who represent the government (since the time of Mahathir). To make matters worse, the role of the head of state has been reduced to that of a puppet!

They don't like the fact that debates should take place in parliament - under this "strong government" of brutes (with penchant for threatening/stirring up sectarian conflict), it is better done behind closed doors on their own terms.
They rather have a large "coalition" wherein there are second-class allies with whom they can "negotiate" with bullying & corrupting tactics.

With a toothless opposition, the parliament is nothing but a circus ring - what more with a servile media! That is the only reason why we have Speakers who throw out opposition YBs with the flimsiest excuse, while they play the apologist for unthinking liars like Nazri and morons like Tajudin & the infamous Bung!

At the end of the day, the ISA isn't a security law - it is a law that is used to justify repression and oppression (physical, spiritual & intellectual).
It is a law that is used to prop up an intellectually bankrupt government, which is in fact weak in terms of governance & accountability - so that it would appear strong in terms of brute force.

I seriously doubt that this is what Thomas Hobbes would have envisioned for a "Social Contract"- definitely not John Locke or Stuart Mill, anyways ....

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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
-John Stuart Mill

Di mana bumi ku pijak

MalaysiaKini

(My apologies to Malaysiakini for "stealing" the post -

I just thought that that it was a fantastic article. It will be removed if required.

Thanks.)

Helen Ang | Dec 4, 08 10:57am

1. Mukhriz Mahathir is not retracting his statement on vernacular schools

He should visit the national schools during recess and see how pupils sit in their own racial groups while eating in the canteen. He should drop by after school hours and see the kids play within their own racial groups when waiting for the bus or to be fetched home. He should meet with the PTAs or read in the news, or in blogs how teachers in national schools bully and victimise Indian children.

Racism and religious supremacy is becoming endemic in national schools. Therefore putting all the kids under one roof will not solve what’s in essence a problem of communal politics.

(I hope that the Malaysiakini editors will excuse me for writing in point form as I’m time-constrained by other deadlines this week.)

2. Mukhriz may be guilty of posturing but he is nonetheless echoing a genuine sentiment and outlook of the Malay grassroots.

3. Chinese on the other hand will ‘riot’ if ever mother tongue instruction was to be withdrawn. An integrated system of education could have been implemented at an earlier point in time but this is water under the bridge; the boat has left the harbour and sailed too far to turn back now.

4. Behind the talk about our segregated education streams is the issue of primacy of language. To look at it negatively, the Malays are suspicious when the minority polyglots are one-up in language command. They feel threatened when they do not understand the ‘code’, or in other words, Chinese dialects. It gives rise to a fear the Chinese will plot among ourselves, colluding to cheat and take advantage of them.

5. To look at it positively, proponents of ‘Bahasa Jiwa Bangsa’ see the national language as a unifying factor and the axis of nation-building. They want and expect every citizen of this country to be able to speak passable Malay. I think it’s a reasonable demand. English may be the international language, Chinese a useful commercial language, but for Bangsa Malaysia to happen, it has to be Malay first in the public domain, just as Thai and Bahasa Indonesia are to our neighbours.

6. How is it foreign workers, like Bangladeshis, speak Malay better than some Malaysian Chinese? They’ve learned the language from necessity and in the spirit of accommodation.

That the Chinese do not speak Malay as a lingua franca, I can only attribute to lack of acceptance and there being no pressing need; allow me specify the aspect ‘speak’ because any Chinese sitting the PMR or SPM exams submits his answer script in the national language though still unable to converse with ease in Malay.

7. If the minorities find that they can get by in their daily living without much requirement to speak Malay, it goes to show the separate lives led by our different communities.

8. And let’s be honest. If you’re Chinese and your friend’s daughter or son knows Japanese or French, you’d be impressed. If you’re Malay, and you cringe at your fellow citizens’ lack of fluency in the national language, what would you be thinking? That the minorities, though their forebears were granted the right of abode here, look up to foreign languages but look down on your language.

9. Malay is a mature and refined language. There is no reason why it cannot and should not be given its due respect as the medium of communication and learning.

10. What rubbish is the teaching Maths and Science in English? On this, I’m behind the Malay and Chinese educationists who have vehemently objected to the language switch, and I endorse the rationale they’ve put forward.

Sikit-sikit ‘sedition’

11. To me, DAP Socialist Youth (Dapsy) has gone overboard in making a police report on Mukhriz. If we do not want Umno to make police reports at the drop of a hat, why is the federal opposition following the same modus operandi? Malaysiakini said that yesterday the Dapsy delegation was refused entry to the Penang Patani Road police station – which is rather rib-tickling. Given the police attitude, I wouldn’t be surprised if the clerk folded a paper plane out of Dapsy’s complaint.

12. And what’s with the screaming of ‘sedition’? Mukhriz, like Ahmad Ismail, voiced his opinion. Others share their views. So? Deal with it. Don’t throw the book at them.

If this cannot say, that cannot say, and the Chinese political parties fuss about Mukhriz and Ahmad, the Malay political parties fuss over Karpal Singh and Teresa Kok, then the grievances instead of ironed out will be merely swept under the carpet. Our carpet has gathered so much dust that to lift a corner would surely give folks from Gong Badak to Pasir Salak a collective big sneeze. The much hoped for reform deriving from March 8 should also mean liberalising constructive dialogue. Yes?

13. In this Mukhriz episode, I can only roll my eyes at the antics of DAP, MCA and PKR. Why are they so predictable in getting all agitated? Can’t they see where their responses and rhetoric are unacceptable to Malays?

14. Perhaps those who have not ventured beyond Ipoh, Johor Baru or George Town cannot fathom why this land was called Tanah Melayu. But when I sit on a log outside a cattle pen surrounded by coconut trees under a starry sky in Terengganu, I can. The flora and fauna here have had Malay names for centuries; rivers and mountains too. Whenever I drive in the East Coast, I do feel like I’m in Tanah Melayu and it is a heart-wrenchingly beautiful land.

15. Naming is an act of claiming. We have had Malay civilisation – thus rendering the Malays indigenous although there are other influences; the place name Taiping, for instance, has a Chinese root.

16. About Malay Sovereignty: Unless there are some who mistake Malaysia for a republic, accept that we live in a constitutional monarchy. Therefore, we are subjects of the Malay Sultans, and in states without the sultanate, the Yang Di Pertuan Agong is our king (and king to every Malaysian). The (note emphasis) ‘Malay’ monarchs are the sovereigns we have pledged loyalty to by virtue of our citizenship.

17. The national language is Malay. The religion of the federation is Islam – the faith adhered to by the Malay. The national flag bears the crescent which symbolises Islam. The basis of custom in this country is Malay; for the globalised generation, maybe add budaya baru McDonalds. Yet it seems to me some of the non-Malay politicians – who had previously been concubines to Malay Supremacy and presently Umno’s querulous, unwanted mistresses – fail to acknowledge this concept of Malay Sovereignty.

18. It particularly irks me to hear MCA Youth chief Wee Ka Siong respond to Mukhriz, claiming “language alone cannot be deemed as a main factor for national unity”. My dear sir, since minorities are not of the religion of the Federation nor practise much of the majoritarian customs, then language is indeed the central pillar though not ‘alone’ it (as you point out). What other commonality to hold us together, pray tell? Teh tarik?

19. And if some Umno politicians appear willing to reinterpret Malay Supremacy as Malay Sovereignty, then consider that we’ve moved a step forward. Anwar Ibrahim introducing ‘Ketuanan Rakyat’ into the political lexicon is two steps forward. However, Mukhriz’s suggestion, especially coupled with retaining his father’s bad idea of Maths and Science in English, is no pragmatic solution to the polarisation of society.

20. Country first, di sini langit ku junjung.

OMG - Mahathir ... Is this true????!!!????

First things first....
Shah Rukh Khan knighted
Malacca authorities said Khan was knighted
because six of his movies were shot on location in the historical state
and helped boost its tourism.
Doesn't he look just great?

If he were Malaysian, I'm certain that he could've fit the "Malay" definition quite easily ....
Enough of the "Indian in Baju Melayu"'s story -
Now we can talk about Mahathir .....

We all know that some people were listed as "Indian" when they did their Medicine across the causeway, .... but a confession on air?
Mahathir - did you f$#@-up or what???

I mean, did you CONFESS on TV that you are ONLY Malay by definition???
And all these years, these geniuses in the Malay Organisation with an English name, fell for all the spin????

This is what was posted on Sham Rais's Tukar Tiub:

RIZ KHAN KATA MADEY ORANG INDIA – Aljazera

Dalam wawacara Aljazera, Pesauh Riz Khan secara terbuka telah mengatakan bahawa Madey a.k.a Mahafiraun adalah orang India. Madey gelabah.

Madey mengakui bahawa dia hanya Melayu kerana difinasi.


kah kah kah… kah kah kah… kah kah kah… kalau rtm.. tv3...boleh kelentong... kah kah kah...aljazera kantoi...kah kah kah…kah kah kah

Letters on the Tamil Schools issue

[NOTE: I have been having plenty of problems with my PC - it keeps rebooting fo no reason. That to, after restoring it to original configs.
Two posts of mine have been deleted while writing .... until it is reformatted, there may be a delay in future posts - at least till mid-next week.
My apologies ...]
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Here are two letters from the author of the letter which was published on MT.
Despite "temenggong" finding my article on the matter 'hilarious' (actually without being able to articulate his thoughts on it), these email responses from the author of that letter is quite reassuring - in that among netizens, the likes of temenggong are in the minority ......

Dear Victor,

Tamil School: Pride and Prejudice is an excellent article. Both of us are having the same intention and that is to think and move positively. Unfortunately as I mentioned in my article there are a group of people who don't want the changes to take place because of their personal "hidden" agenda. There is another sour grape group and as for them, they will oppose blindly without seeing the logic and what actually the problem is. They will talk just base on their personal satisfaction.

If you observe my article, most of the situations which I've quoted are something genuinely happened and keep on happening. In today's Harian Metro Newspaper, there was one news where PDRM caught a group of 11 people in JB for robbing and raping and the sad news is.. all of them are Indians. So this is what I'm trying to highlight to those "stubborn" people out there.

Victor, I know it's not an easy task to change their old mentality but that doesn't mean that I will stop talking about it. As an ordinary person I think I have to do something positive within my capability and that is by talking and keep on talking this subject to as many as Indians that I will meet.

Victor, thanks again and good luck

regards,

Muthaiah

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Hi Victor,

Exactly, you got it rite. Actually there are few groups of human being
a) When something happen there will be a group where they won't do anything but always put the blame on others or always find fault.
b) There is a group where when somebody are trying help or do something good, this group will put their full effort to mass the thing.
c) There is another groups who totally don't want to get involve asspecially when they don't gain anything personally from that subject.

Victor, I think by now you will be able to know what I'm trying to say. Anyway I have one good news to share with you. For the past 24 hours, I already received many e-mails and 80% fully agree with my article and happy that I wrote the situation exactly like how it's happening. 20% of them were disagreed but I know this people's mentality is same like the temenggong's mentality (Mental Blocked). They don't want to change and don't want others also to change.

Victor, there's one more thing that I want to share with you. Originally I only sent my article to few PR MPs and asked their favour to share this topic among all the Indian MP's from DAP, PKR and PSM. Suddenly one of the MP posted this article in his blog and Malaysia Today picked that topic and posted in its blog.

Victor, please do me a favour, I will send the article to you and if possible please forward it through e-mail to as many Indians that you know. Let it spark some awareness among them. Whether they're ready to change or not, that's not an issue but I'm happy as long they started to think.....

That's all for now and have a nice day and keep in touch.

regards,

Muthaiah

Islam and the Malay mind

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Tunku Abd. Aziz/ NST - Misled or Misleading?

I wonder if this is the same Tunku Aziz who has joined DAP after "eyeing" it for the past 30 yrs, and was immediately appointed as a Vice President.
If it is, DAP should probably should consider reversing the title to suit his image better.....
Today, NST published an article (Yes - NST published the DAP VP's letter!!) in the letters section.
It went as follows:-

THE Regent of Negri Sembilan, Tunku Naquiyuddin Tuanku Jaafar, shows great moral courage in arguing for the restoration of the rulers' immunity, stripped so unceremoniously by former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who had showed a total disregard for the larger interests of the people of this country, and, equally as important, the constitutional role of the rulers in the rule of law, the basis of our national well-being.

Tunku Naquiyuddin is right to say that royal immunity should not cover criminal acts, for which our rulers should be held accountable, but in performing their constitutional duties, they must enjoy immunity from legal proceedings.
-Tunku Abdul Aziz, Rulers’ immunity: Restore what Dr M removed, NST,
NST Online » Letters 2008/11/30

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Here's what Jack wang commented on MT:-

written by JackWang, December 01, 2008 14:56:24

Someone has to show me where in the constitution does it say that the rulers do not enjoy immunity when acting in their official capacity.
Article 183 of the constitution states that
"no action, civil or criminal, shall be instituted against the Yang di-Pertuan Agong or the Ruler of a State in respect of anything done or omitted to be done by him in his personal capacity except with the consent of the Attorney General personally".

Article 181 guarantees the sovereignty, rights, powers and jurisdictions of each Malay Ruler within their respective states. They also cannot be charged in a court of law in their official capacities as a Ruler.

So perhaps someone can enlighten where in our constitutional amendments have caused the rulers to be liable when they are acting in their official capacities. If there are ambiguities, then we need to get that clarified and an amendment should be carried out to make this clear.
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Below is the Full text of the speech (taken from Malaysia Kini).
Note the highlighted last page (click to view full size)

Did TG Naquiyuddin say what Tunku Aziz claims he did, or is the below a mistake (for which the publisher could be sued for "misprint")?
Somebody is playing the spin doctor.
You be the Judge .....